Monday, 29 February 2016

Mbeki cannot justify GNU failure on opposing West "pernicious global diktat". By Wilbert Mukori

Former SA President Thabo Mbeki has used his latest article to justify why his administration had opposed the UN Security Council’s attempts to imposed UN sanction on Zimbabwe after the 2008 rigged elections. He said “Zimbabwe posed any threat to international peace and security” and he wanted the UN to leave the Zimbabwe crisis to the AU and SADC who were helping the country resolve its problems.


“To the contrary, by exercising their right to self-determination, in 2008, and with our facilitation, the democratically elected representatives of the people of Zimbabwe adopted the Global Political Agreement (GPA),” wrote President Mbeki.


Whilst one would readily accept the UN principle that regional bodies should be given the chance to solve member country’s problems; what is disappointing about the AU and SADC is they have a track record of failure. The Zimbabwe crisis has proven to be yet another AU and SADC failure. SADC promised to deliver free, fair and credible elections at the end of the GNU, that never happened and the country is in any even worse political and economic mess today than in 2008!


President Thabo Mbeki knew that Mugabe and his Zanu PF cronies were NOT “the democratically elected representatives of the people of Zimbabwe”. The GNU proposed after some of the worst cases of vote rigging and wanton political violence in modern history; it is an insult to the victims of the barbarism to call the process a democratic one.


The only logical explanation why SADC proposed the formation of a GNU was to give Mugabe, who had been soundly defeated in the 2008 elections and had a reputation of rigging elections, a soft landing out of office. The GNU was tasked to implement a raft of GPA reforms designed to deliver free, fair and credible elections at the end of the GNU.


Having granted Mugabe the soft land, God knows he did not deserve that, one expected SADC to show some human compassion for the long suffering people of Zimbabwe by ensuring that Zimbabwe did indeed have free, fair and credible elections. Sadly they did no such thing.


On many occasions during the GNU, SADC leaders expressed their concerns for the lack of progress in the implementation of the GPA reforms and raised these with Morgan Tsvangirai and the rest of his fellow MDC leaders who were tasked to implement the reforms. After two or three years of the GNU with still no single reform implemented, SADC leaders should have known by then that MDC leaders were incompetent, corrupt and that they had sold-out on implementing the reforms. SADC leaders should have taken steps to force MDC leaders to implement the reforms; instead they did nothing other than wash their hands clean of Zimbabwe.


SADC was the guarantor of the GPA and free, fair and credible elections; they could not therefore just abandon the ordinary Zimbabweans to the mercy of the corrupt and incompetent MDC. The argument that bringing pressure to bear on MDC leaders would have constituted interference in Zimbabwe’s internal affairs does not hold water given SADC was the guarantor and worse still they had engineered a soft landing for Mugabe!


“The accusation that we have betrayed the cause of human rights derived from the fact that, by asserting the rule of international law in the interest of ‘countries without global leverage', we opposed the pernicious global diktat of those who, in their interest, see themselves and act as the universal benevolent hegemon,” concluded Mbeki.


What simpletons like President Mbeki and his fellow African leaders have failed to understand is that when leaders like President Bush, PM Tony Blare and other Western leaders play this “pernicious global diktat”, as Mbeki called it; they always do so from a position of strength and they never shoot themselves in the foot. Zimbabwe’s political and economic crisis has caused untold human suffering in our country and has, at the very least, held back the region’s economic development. So of course no thinking Zimbabwean will ever thank President Mbeki for keeping Zimbabwe in this mess all these years!


It is one thing for SADC or the AU to demand that the UN should allow them to deal Africa’s problems but quite another for them to fulfil that commitment and resolve the problems, particularly when they lack the political will and/or material resources to deal with them. The AU and SADC are there to save the people and not to prop up tyrants and despots!


As long as Africa continue to be ruled by tyrants like Mugabe, assured of AU protection and Russian and Chinese veto from UN censor, good governance, peace and prosperity will remain a distant dream for many Africans and the continent will never be taken seriously on the international political stage!

Ncube wants "wart and all" coalition because "beautiful ones are not yet born" - nonsense, they are here. By Wilbert Mukori

“We have in place a government which long stopped pretending it is in power to serve the collective interests of its nationals but one which has no shame at all in exhibiting itself as a government for the personal welfare and interests of the individual leaders who make up the political leadership supposedly running the country,” wrote Professor Ncube.


“They are interested only in themselves and have become totally and unashamedly self-serving. The purpose of their government is deliberately to suppress and impoverish the people while they feast on the bones of a once great nation.”


Every word you have said there is very true. I would like to take you back to 2008 to 2013. You, Professor Ncube were in the GNU and you counted yourself part of the ruling elite and you too became “totally and unashamedly self-serving” and that was the only logical reason why MDC failed to implement ever one democratic reform in five years of the GNU!


MDC expected to win the 2013 elections regardless of “Zanu PF shenanigans”, Tsvangirai later confessed. Even after the rigged elections, some MDC leaders expected Mugabe to find them a role in the new regime; they asked Chief Secretary in the President and Cabinet, Dr Misheck Sibanda, to speak to Mugabe on their behalf! It took a while before the truth finally sunk in that, contrary to impression Mugabe had created in the MDC leaders’ minds, they were NOT members of the country’s “totally and unashamedly self-serving” ruling elite that Ncube is denouncing now.


“The only concern of what passes for our ruling party leaders is where they will be the day Robert Mugabe goes. They live, sleep and wake up for one purpose and one purpose only, to fight factional wars on which cabal or clique will succeed Mugabe. Every institution of the state has been drawn into these factional wars. Not even the judiciary has been spared,” continued the Professor.


These Zanu PF leaders do not have to worry about how much the people are suffering or think because these politicians are not democratically accountable to the people. The regime, thanks to MDC’s failure to implement even one reform, can blatantly rig the elections denying the people a meaningful say in the governance of the country. We now have the crazy situation where the political leaders have completely usurped the people’s power it is the tail wags the dog.


“My point is that attempts to build a coalition of democrats to defeat Zanu PF must exclude no one who professes to be a democrat. Our nation is in great peril. We owe it to ourselves to do all we can to save our country,” pleaded Ncube.

“Clearly, the beautiful ones are not yet born and we must make do with those already born with warts and all. We cannot save Zimbabwe unless we recognise the peril it is in. All those who profess to be our leaders with an interest in saving the nation from doom must come to the Table of Patriots at which all shall be equal.”

Sunday, 28 February 2016

Mugabe holds party at Great Zimbabwe and evokes the greatness of Munhumutapa Empire he lacked. By Patrick Guramatunhu

President Mugabe has talked about unity on many, many occasions throughout his political career but looking at the nation and his own party one cannot deny, not even he, that unity is the one thing this nation and his party are. The nation is more divided than ever and Zanu PF members are tearing each other apart. Zanu PF is imploding and, worse still, it is threatening to drag the nation into the abyss with it. So when President Mugabe returned to his favourite theme of unity at his birthday party; this time there was a sense of urgency, at least for the concerned citizens.



"As we are here at the Great Zimbabwe, this is the foundation of the Munhumutapa Empire. So this is a place that gave us a new life, we fought thinking of the way of living that was being done by our elders here,” said the President.

"They were united and made sure their leadership spread to other areas far beyond the Limpopo.”



The Munhumutapa Empire last for three hundred years from 1430 to 1760 and stretched from the Zambezi to Limpopo to the Indian Ocean and built the Great Zimbabwe, a monument that has lasted to this day and will last for thousands of years to come. The leaders back then did not spend their time talking of unity but spent in doing things that makes unity possible; built a just and fair system of government, creating wealth for all and not just a few, establishing the rule of law, etc.



No empire in history has ever thrived on misrule, poverty, tyranny and the Munhumutapa Empire was no exception.



Mugabe’s corrupt and tyrannical rule has not lasted 40 years and already it is crumbling and falling apart. 36 years of gross mismanagement, rampant corruption and tyrannical oppression have turned this once prosperous nation into one of the poorest and there is anger and mistrust eating at the heart of this nation.



President Mugabe was very critical of Zanu PF members, especially the party youths, who have openly criticized party leaders including his wife Grace as part of the worsening factional wars in the party.



"We cannot lead such misguided youth, no. The youth have got to be well disciplined, well behaved and respectful," threatened Mugabe.



Respect! How can anyone respect a leader who has repeatedly falsely accused his challengers of treason, rigged national and party elections and has no respect of the law of the law and even the sanctity of human life!  



“Gudo guru peta muswe kuti vaduku vangokuremekedza!” is a time honoured Shona cultural saga. (Big baboon, fold your tail so the youngster will respect you) Meaning those is positions of power and authority must humble themselves, behave in a dignified, just and respectable manner if they are to earn the respect of those below them. President Mugabe is one big baboon whose tail is always straight up like the warthog’s tail and his failed leadership is one of the darkest chapters in Zimbabwe’s history.



Mugabe can evoke the greatness of the Munhumutapa Empire; he has failed to make Zimbabwe a great nation. He has always relied on fear to unity everyone behind him; unity based on fear is a house built of quick sand, it will not stand for long because the ground under it is always shifting. People do not want to leave in fear; they will always be on the lookout for the opportune moment to breakaway!

Thursday, 25 February 2016

Musewe 2nd GNU giving Mugabe veto and free elections to povo - usual time wasting double Dutch. By Wilbert Mukori

When I was a small boy my aunt told me a story of an Ingutsheni Mental Hospital patient who watered the garden with a leaking bucket. He would be drenched from the leaking water and up to his knees in mud but will carry on. Sometimes the bucket would be empty before he reached the patch; he would continue and empty whatever little water was left.


The story has remained with me and formed the basis of my understanding of mental illness. The garden needed watering, the patient had the physical strength to carry the bucket to water the garden but, sadly, lacked the mental intellect to realize that the task will not be accomplished using a leaking bucket!


If the truth be told, we are stuck in this economic and political mess because for the last 36 years we have so to appease Mugabe and allowed to establish a one-man dictatorship and hoped, when reason said there was no basis for such hope, the dictatorship will someday transform into the democratic government we wanted. We have been doing our bit of watering the garden with a leaking bucket and we have come off with a lot worse than being drenched with water and covered in mud!


In 1980 Zimbabwe had the potential to be a free, just, and economically prosperous nation; a far cry from what we have become. Zimbabwe is facing a serious economic meltdown with unemployment a nauseating 90%, most cities and towns have no clean running water, we have daily power cut lasting 18 hours, most hospitals have no drugs, etc. The root causes of the economic meltdown are gross mismanagement, rampant corruption and institutionalized lawlessness which have killed all economic activity and scared away all foreign investors and donors alike.


As if the economic meltdown was not bad enough, the country is facing political chaos because there is no rule of law; the only law that counts now is survival of the fittest.


The economic meltdown and political chaos are causing untold human suffering and deaths and are now threatening to undermine national cohesion; there is a distinct possibility of the street violence or worse.


So why did we not follow the path to freedom, peace, justice and economic prosperity and instead took the one that has landed us in economic ruins and political chaos? We, foolishly, allowed Mugabe to do as he pleased, he did, and he dragged us into this mess!

Mugabe and his Zanu PF cronies were the liberation war heroes and out of respect for their heroic sacrifice, fear of the AK47 rifle pointing at the them and sheer political naivety the Zimbabwean people have allowed Mugabe to do as he pleased. To gratify his insatiable greed for absolute power Mugabe stifled all meaningful debate and democratic competition within his own party, Zanu PF, and, even more so, outside. He has destroyed the nation’s state institutions like the Police and Judiciary turning them into Zanu PF departments, there to serve him and his one-man dictatorship agenda.


Mugabe has creamed off the nation’s wealth to feed his and his cronies’ insatiable appetites for luxuries and extravagant lifestyle. There is no money to buy drugs, water pumps, etc. and yet Mugabe is pocketing $2 billion a year from the wholesale looting and plunder in Marange and Chiadzwa!


After 36 years pursuing this policy of appeasing Mugabe and his cronies at all coast, of carrying this leaky bucket of hope against reason; one expected that the penny has finally dropped and the nation now sees the sheer futility of pursuing this stupid policy for one day longer! Sadly that is not so, there are some people like Vince Musewe who still want us to appease Mugabe!


“In my opinion, ZANU (PF), especially its leaders, fear to lose power through free and fair elections. Understandably so, because that loss of power may result in personal criminal persecution, loss of income and status. This fear is the same which is causing succession battles as Mugabe holds onto power. It is clear that the more we demand for political reforms, the more resistance to change we are getting,” wrote Vince Musewe in his latest contribution to the national debate on the subject.


“Going to 2018 elections without any reforms is political suicide and therefore unthinkable. I would rather we postpone elections and  pursue an inclusive political settlement that addresses the fears of ZANU(PF), but ushers in a new era of inclusive democracy through comprehensive political reforms over an agreed timeframe.”  


The GPA that led to 2008 to 2013 GNU wanted meaningful democratic reforms to be implemented and did not seek to appease Mugabe on this point. By signing the agreement Mugabe agreed to the democratic reforms (the only reason why not even one reform was implemented was because MDC sold-out).  


Musewe’s proposed settlement is double Dutch, gibberish; to allay Mugabe’s fear of free and fair elections Musewe is granting the tyrant the power to veto all meaningful democratic reforms. So his promise of “new era of inclusive democracy” to the populous is based on hopeless supposition that Mugabe will never use the veto!


In short Musewe is not proposing anything new but just a variant to the present policy of appeasing Mugabe at all cost! Even now with the nation’s very survival hanging on the balance; some people still believe appeasing Mugabe and his cronies must still remain the nation’s primary concern.


It is not how to secure Mugabe and his cronies’ in power in perpetuate that is at issue here; it is the very survival of this nation that is at issue. It is a great national tragedy and shame that none of the GPA democratic reform were implemented during 2008 GNU. After 36 years of appeasing Mugabe and seeing the nation dragged deeper and deeper into this economic mess and political chaos there is no excuse for any sane Zimbabweans pursuing this foolish policy for one more day.

We must implement the democratic reforms and that is not negotiable. What Mugabe and his cronies must understand is they can step down peacefully and allow the reforms to be implemented or they will be force out of office. One way or the other the reforms will be implemented and this nation will have regime change!

Tuesday, 23 February 2016

"Small clique" rigged elections admits Mujuru, she saw nothing - not surprised! By W Mukori

In her first interview since the registering of her Zimbabwe People First (ZPF) party, Joice Mujuru fails to impress! She told the British Sunday Times that she did not see any rigging in the 2013 elections, much to the disappointment of everyone but especially the opposition.

"I never saw the rigging… I am sure it was a very small clique that was doing it," said Mujuru.  


When it comes to rigging the elections, I think Mai Mujuru is telling the truth; she saw nothing, heard nothing and said nothing.


We should not forget that Mugabe accused her and her husband of operation “Bhora musango” in 2008. The Mujurus instructed their supporters to vote for the Zanu PF parliamentary candidates but instead of voting for the presidential party candidate, Mugabe, they were instructed to vote for Tsvangirai. It is hardly surprising then that Mugabe and his Joint Operation Command, the real power house in Zimbabwe, would have kept Mujuru in the dark as to their 2013 vote rigging plans.


"I do hope it is a diplomatic response meant to evade liability because their key value to opposition politics is not to show that they were dull and everything happened around them," said Jacob Mafume of the People's Democratic Party (PDP).

"They have to state categorically that they knew there was rigging; how it was done and, more importantly, that they know how to stop it. There is no value if they were also innocent beneficiaries because they will simply become victims now."


Diplomatic response, you wish!  As for being a victim of Mugabe vote rigging she does not have to wait for the next national elections, she has already had her baptism of fire.


In 2014 she thought she was set to win the VP post in the party’s upcoming elective; she had 8 out of the 10 provinces backing her. She was falsely accused of plotting to assassinate Mugabe (nonsense given that the electoral victory would have put her in pole position to be his successor). She did not see that one coming and, worse still, did not what to do to fight back.


ZPF is going to be just another opposition party whose supporters will be in for the usual harassment, beating or worse. At the end of the day they too will complain about the violence against its supporters and the vote rigging. Like MDC, ZPF too will have no clue, even after seeing Zanu PF bussing in its supporters to vote, etc. how Zanu PF rigged the elections!


There is a lot of stuff Mujuru did not know, even when she was VP; that fits in well with her character and reputation as corrupt and incompetent.  If she was to become president, God forbid, then she will either stop a lot of things happening because she cannot get a head round the issues involved or else sign off things many things when she does not a clue what it is she is doing.


If the opposition has been banking on Mai Mujuru and her ZPF colleagues knowing Zanu PF’s vote rigging secrets and spilling the beans and thus make it very difficult if not impossible for Zanu PF to rig the next elections now the opposition have heard it from the horse’s mouth – she and her friends know nothing of substance. The only sure way to stop Zanu PF using violence and rigging the next elections is by implementing the GPA reforms BEFORE the next elections.

The world is sick and tired of listening to opposition parties who take part in elections knowing there will be violence and vote rigging and then complain of the same afterwards.

It is Biti not Mbeki who is lying, MDC sold-out on implementing reform! By Wilbert Mukori

In a follow-up radio interview to President Thabo Mbeki letter “SA policy on Zimbabwe” with Redi Thlabi on 702 Cape Talk Tendai Biti said a lot of things, I would like to take him up one the one issue – Did MDC sell-out in failing to implement the GPA reforms, he was asked?


“President Mbeki should just shut up! He should not blame the victim.  ….. MDC fought for reforms but Zanu PF refused,” replied Biti. He was lying because there evidence proves the exact opposite, that MDC leaders sold-out!  


The process of implementing the reforms was that an MP will submit the proposed democratic reforms on the Police, say, to parliament. Parliament will then debate and refine the proposals and then pass the final proposals to President Mugabe for approval. Once the proposals are approved they will then be implemented and the law changed to suit.


Tendai Biti who is lying in saying Zanu PF blocked the reforms because MDC never submitted any substantive reforms in parliament. The two MDC factions had the majority of MPs in parliament and therefore would have had no problems in getting the proposals passed. There were no proposed reforms passed or rejected by parliament throughout the GNU because none were ever submitted.


There is no doubt that left to his own devices President Mugabe would have rejected all democratic reforms put before him but he was not left to his own devices, by signing the GPA he committed himself and his party Zanu PF to the democratic reforms. So if parliament submitted proposed reforms for his approval and he refused then MDC was expected to take the matter to SADC as the guarantor of the agreement for arbitration.


The truth of the matter is MDC never complained to SADC about Mugabe refusing to approve any proposed reforms; they complained about other things but not reforms; because Mugabe never refused to approve any reform proposals, none were ever submitted to him for approval.


By the same token, SDAC never failed to take Mugabe to task on refusing to approve proposed reforms because MDC never complained to SADC on that matter. Never! If anything it was SADC who complained to MDC for doing nothing about implementing the reforms.


It is a matter of historic fact that SADC leaders, amongst others, reminded MDC leaders on a number of occasions to implement the reforms and then warned them against taking part in the elections without implementing the reforms first and MDC paid no heed. Former GNU MDC Minister Samuel Sipepa Nkomo and Tendai Biti's own colleague in the break-away PDP has since confirmed that SADC leaders warned MDC. See


SADC leaders said MDC leaders "were busy enjoying themselves and forgot why they were in the GNU!" in sheer frustration soon after the rigged July 2013 elections.


There is no doubt that MDC leaders were enjoying themselves in the GNU and forgot the important task of implementing the reforms. Tendai Bit joined the other MDC leaders in praising Mugabe calling him the “unflappable father of the nation” in an interview with The Sunday Mail in July 2012. Hardly the thing one would say about someone “refusing” democratic reforms.


MDC leaders were cocksure Mugabe had accepted them in the exclusive ruling elite club that there did not see the need to implement the democratic reforms designed to end this elitist system and force all those in public office to be democratically accountable to the people. They were members of this elitist group so why end the system.


Even after the rigged July 2013 elections which saw many MDC members lose their public office it is interesting to note how many MDC leaders still continued to hang on to the belief that they were still members of the country’s ruling elite and Mugabe would treat them accordingly as Dr Misheck Sibanda, the Chief Secretary to the President and Cabinet has revealed.

"Some (MDC leaders after losing the elections) said, 'If we are needed, even if it's a Zanu-PF Government, talk to the President. Possibly we can come and serve because we want to serve.' (They said they wanted roles) in any capacity. You could tell that it was because of how they had been handled. To me, it was amusing," Dr Sibanda said.  See more at:


It is a great pity that the GNU failed to deliver on the single most important issue - free, fair and credible elections because MDC leaders sold-out. Zimbabwe would not be stuck in this political and economic hell-on-earth still if they had implemented the reforms.


Zimbabweans can blame SADC and God knows who else besides for many things but not for the GNU’s failure to delivery free, fair and credible elections; we must own up and take the blame for that one! Morgan Tsvangirai, Tendai Biti, Welshman Ncube, David Coltart and all the other MDC leaders in the GNU sold-out; they must apologize to the nation and resign, en mass, from public life. They should have done so a long time ago!


Whilst still on the subject of apologizing; Tendai Biti should apologize to former President Thabo Mbeki for accusing him of lying when it was he (Biti) who is lying and should shut up! 

The dictator is but the dominant snake on Medusa, the monster, the dictatorship. By Patrick Guramatunhu

The people of Zimbabwe are making one big mistake in pinning their hopes of getting out of this political and economic hell-on-earth the nation finds itself on the on-going factional wars destroying Zanu PF and the evil party being buried with President Mugabe on his death. As long as anyone in Zanu PF continues to have a firm hand on unreformed state machinery the Zanu PF dictatorship will continue to rule and ruin our lives!
The dog-eat-dog fighting in Zanu PF shows we are dealing here with individuals who have got used to absolute power and a life of luxury and leisure. They all know Mugabe’s days as the top-dog are numbered and each one of them wants to be the new top-dog and will fight to the death for it. Whichever faction emerges with the sceptre of office firmly in its hands will use the existing dictatorial powers to consolidate its power and assert its authority on vanquished factions and the nation at large.
The victorious Zanu PF faction to emerge out of the dog-eat-dog fight tearing the party apart will have the mean-spirit of a one-eyed dog punishing friend and foe in advance for laughing at its physical deficiency.
Whilst Zanu PF is preoccupied with its factional wars the populous should have been busy building a formidable concordat to confront the one-eyed dog with demands for the full implementation of the 2008 GPA democratic reforms designed to dismantle the dictatorship Zanu PF imposed on the nation. As it is, only a tiny minority of Zimbabweans are aware of the critical importance of the reforms as the key to open the only door out of the hell-on-earth Zimbabwe is in.
Most of the country’s opposition politicians are wasting time their demanding that the regime must implement electoral law reforms which will do nothing to reduce the dictatorial powers of whoever inherits Mugabe’s post.
As for the majority of the people, they are hoping that the death of Mugabe will be the transformative moment the nation has been waiting for. Of course this is naïve because the death of the dictator does not equate to the death of the dictatorship.
So the nation is remorseless matching on to the next elections, set for 2018; still with not even one democratic reform in place as was the case in 2013. The one-eyed Zanu PF dog will once again use violence and use its dictatorial powers to blatant rig the elections. The opposition and the populous will raised their voices and complain about the violence and the vote rigging and the whole world will turn a deaf ear to the complaining.
Zimbabweans complaining about violence and vote rigging is now a tedious theme; since we will not take the cure, implement the GPA democratic reforms out of sheer laziness, we should not complain incessantly of the ailment!
Think of the Zanu PF dictatorship as the mythological Greek monster, the Gorgon, Medusa with snakes growing out of its head like hair. President Mugabe is not Medusa but, for the last 36 years, was the dominant snake. The other snakes can see President Mugabe, due to old age and ill health, is losing his bite creating room for a new dominant snake to emerge and they are all swelling around fighting for dominance.
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The dictator is but the dominant snake on Medusa, the monster, the dictatorship!
Our task is to kill the monster that has held the nation captives for the last 36 years. Hoping that the snakes will kill each other is naïve because fighting cobras wrestle each other, they do not bite each other otherwise there will be no poisonous snake left in the world. Cutting of one snake, even if it should be the dominant one, will solve nothing because another snake will grow in its place.
Whilst Medusa is distracted by the swelling mass of snakes wrestling each other for dominance it is time to cut off the monster’s head. Implement all the GPA democratic reforms and we will cut all the undemocratic control the regime has over the Police, CIO, Judiciary, ZEC, etc., etc.
During the GNU we had five years to implement the GPA democratic reforms and end the Zanu PF dictatorship we wasted that chance because Tsvangirai and his MDC friends sold-out. President Mugabe offered them seats on the gravy train and they forgot about the reforms. Since the rigged elections of 2013 Zanu PF has been distracted and weakened by the infighting in the party and the country’s worsening economic meltdown due to the decades of misrule; we have yet another golden opportunity to demand the implementation of the GPA democratic reforms. We must not waste this chance too!